9:47 a.m.
retitle 631874 po4a: [xml] Please make xml:lang automatically translated
thanks
Hi Charles, the po4a upstream developers list,
[ Please refer to
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631874 for full context ]
Le 02/11/2011 22:40, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Le Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 03:20:30PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit :
>
> The lang attribute is already automatically translated. In order to
> translate the xml:lang one, adding the “attributes=xml:lang” option is
> enough for your purpose, as documented in Locale::Po4a::Xml(3).
>
> I don't know if we want to make this attribute automatically (i.e. by
> default) translated, any opinion about it?
In the case of the xml:lang, in my (limited) experience, I do not see
a
situation where it would cause me problem to have it translated by default.
I don't know the exact rationale of using xml:lang instead of lang, a
look at some documentation [0] makes me think that the intended use of
xml:lang is to allow the use of several languages in different section
of a same page. (Side note: Charles, in your example, why are you using
the xml:lang attribute instead of the lang one that already exists for
the html tag?)
0: http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.1/OS/archspec/xmllang.html
If xml:lang was translated by default, it may cause harm in the
following situation (crappy novice XML inside):
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en">
<p>Some translatable text</p>
<img alt="Image with boring English untranslated text inside"
src="boring.png" xml:lang="en"/>
</html>
If both lang and xml:lang are translated, since it's the same string,
they both will show e.g. fr for a French translation, but the resulting
translated file will be wrong:
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="fr">
<p>Du texte traduisible</p>
<img alt="Image contenant avec du texte anglais intraduisible"
src="boring.png" xml:lang="fr"/>
</html>
Even if the image still ships English text inside, it will be declared
as French content, which is not true.
I guess that making xml:lang translated by default may harm in some
cases, so I won't be in favor of changing the current default behavior,
but someone with more XML experience could enlighten us otherwise, so I
keep the bug open for the moment.
Regards
David
5:38 p.m.
New subject: [Po4a-devel] Bug#631874: po4a: [xhtml] Please translate lang attributes.
Le Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 11:47:30AM -0400, David Prévot a écrit :
Le 02/11/2011 22:40, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> Le Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 03:20:30PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit :
>>
>> The lang attribute is already automatically translated. In order to
>> translate the xml:lang one, adding the “attributes=xml:lang” option is
>> enough for your purpose, as documented in Locale::Po4a::Xml(3).
>>
>> I don't know if we want to make this attribute automatically (i.e. by
>> default) translated, any opinion about it?
> In the case of the xml:lang, in my (limited) experience, I do not see a
> situation where it would cause me problem to have it translated by default.
I don't know the exact rationale of using xml:lang instead of lang, a
look at some documentation [0] makes me think that the intended use of
xml:lang is to allow the use of several languages in different section
of a same page. (Side note: Charles, in your example, why are you using
the xml:lang attribute instead of the lang one that already exists for
the html tag?)
0: http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.1/OS/archspec/xmllang.html
If xml:lang was translated by default, it may cause harm in the
following situation (crappy novice XML inside):
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en">
<p>Some translatable text</p>
<img alt="Image with boring English untranslated text inside"
src="boring.png" xml:lang="en"/>
</html>
Hello everybody,
indeed, I was using xml:lang instead of lang for no good reason (‘cargo cult
web design’).
So to make this email less useless, let me thank you again for providing po4a,
which was instrumental for having a bilingual website for a french/japanese
conference in Tôkyô.
Have a nice day,
--
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
5:51 p.m.
New subject: [Po4a-devel] Bug#631874: po4a: [xhtml] Please translate lang attributes.
On 16/11/2011 19:38, Charles Plessy wrote:
indeed, I was using xml:lang instead of lang for no good reason
Alright, so I see no good reason to keep this bug open: the lang
parameter is already translated by default, and the xml:lang parameter
is already (optionally) translatable. Making the xml:lang parameter
translated by default may lead to unwanted corner case, so it is
probably not a good idea to do that (and if someone disagrees, or wants
to discuss this further, the bug can still be reopen).
Regards
David
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