From kaloian at doganov.org Fri Dec 28 20:11:36 2007
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From: Kaloian Doganov <kaloian at doganov.org>
To: devel at lists.po4a.org
Subject: [Po4a-devel] Turning off wrapping for a specific XHTML tag
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:11:48 +0200
Message-ID: <87d4sqljm3.fsf@doganov.org>

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Using po4a to process XHTML documents, I have to turn of wrapping for a
specific XHTML tag (<script>) still considering the containing text as
translatable.  Po4a's Xml module provides a way to specify this using
the `W' character in the `tags' option:

   -o "tags=3DW<script>"

Unfortunately this leads to skipping the containing text of <script> as
non-translatable.  I can avoid this by adding `tagsonly' option, but
this way I practically have to list all possible XHTML tags in `tags',
just to turn off wrapping for one of them.

It would be much easier if there was a way to specify this wrap-flag
individually for a tag, without having to deal with global
skipping/non-skipping of all mentioned tags.

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From kaloian at doganov.org Fri Dec 28 22:39:38 2007
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From: Kaloian Doganov <kaloian at doganov.org>
To: devel at lists.po4a.org
Subject: Re: [Po4a-devel] Turning off wrapping for a specific XHTML tag
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:49:46 +0200
Message-ID: <87myruk0id.fsf@doganov.org>
In-Reply-To: 87d4sqljm3.fsf@doganov.org

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Kaloian Doganov <kaloian(a)doganov.org> writes:

    It would be much easier if there was a way to specify this wrap-flag
    individually for a tag, without having to deal with global
    skipping/non-skipping of all mentioned tags.

Also, it will be useful if the wrapping of the <script> tag is turned
off by default in the Xhtml module.  The <script> tag by definition
contains code fragment of a syntax which Po4a does not understand.  The
most widely used language is ECMAScript, of course, and ECMAScript's
syntax almost ignores whitespace, with some notable exceptions.  For
example:

   <script>
   var label1 =3D "Hello";
   var label2 =3D "World"; // Please replace with your own messages!
   </script>

Becomes:

   <script>
   var label1 =3D "Hello"; var label2 =3D "World"; // Please
   replace with your own messages!
   </script>

which is not a valid ECMAScript code, so the interpreter ignores and the
document is broken.

Also, a <script> tag can contain other languages as well, for example
Python or Basic, where whitespace is even more significiant.  Therefore,
wrapping of such code fragments is not a good idea per se.

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From nicolas.francois at centraliens.net Mon Jan 14 00:42:11 2008
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To: devel at lists.po4a.org
Subject: Re: [Po4a-devel] Turning off wrapping for a specific XHTML tag
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:42:06 +0100
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Hello,

On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 09:11:48PM +0200, kaloian(a)doganov.org wrote:
> Using po4a to process XHTML documents, I have to turn of wrapping for a
> specific XHTML tag (<script>) still considering the containing text as
> translatable.  Po4a's Xml module provides a way to specify this using
> the `W' character in the `tags' option:
> =

>    -o "tags=3DW<script>"
> =

> Unfortunately this leads to skipping the containing text of <script> as
> non-translatable.  I can avoid this by adding `tagsonly' option, but
> this way I practically have to list all possible XHTML tags in `tags',
> just to turn off wrapping for one of them.
> =

> It would be much easier if there was a way to specify this wrap-flag
> individually for a tag, without having to deal with global
> skipping/non-skipping of all mentioned tags.

I agree that the current options are not intuitive and probably do not
permit what users want.

I will try to provide another set of options to configure the Xml module
(and derivative).

The idea could be to support options like:

  -o translated=3D"<tag1> w<tag2> W<tag3> <tag4><tag5> i<tag6> I<tag7>"
  -o verbatim=3D"<tag8> <tag9><tag10>"
(And remove any tag from tags or inline lists if it is specified by one of
these options)

The major issue is to provide backward compatibility and not to clutter
the code to much.

  -o tags=3D"..." and -o tagsonly should be deprecated, but still supported
  for a few years.



I hope this will be more powerful and more clear.

Kind Regards,
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Nekral


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From kaloian at doganov.org Mon Jan 14 08:05:20 2008
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From: Kaloian Doganov <kaloian at doganov.org>
To: devel at lists.po4a.org
Subject: Re: [Po4a-devel] Turning off wrapping for a specific XHTML tag
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:36:53 +0200
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Nicolas Fran=C3=A7ois <nicolas.francois(a)centraliens.net> writes:

    I hope this will be more powerful and more clear.

There's no doubt about it.  Thank you for your efforts, Nicolas!



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From nicolas.francois at centraliens.net Thu Feb 14 22:12:04 2008
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To: devel at lists.po4a.org
Subject: Re: [Po4a-devel] Turning off wrapping for a specific XHTML tag
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:12:01 +0100
Message-ID: <20080214221201.GC13075@nekral.nekral.homelinux.net>
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 01:42:06AM +0100, nicolas.francois(a)centraliens.ne=
t wrote:
> Hello,
> =

> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 09:11:48PM +0200, kaloian(a)doganov.org wrote:
> > Using po4a to process XHTML documents, I have to turn of wrapping for a
> > specific XHTML tag (<script>) still considering the containing text as
> > translatable.  Po4a's Xml module provides a way to specify this using
> > the `W' character in the `tags' option:
> > =

> >    -o "tags=3DW<script>"
> > =

> > Unfortunately this leads to skipping the containing text of <script> as
> > non-translatable.  I can avoid this by adding `tagsonly' option, but
> > this way I practically have to list all possible XHTML tags in `tags',
> > just to turn off wrapping for one of them.
> > =

> > It would be much easier if there was a way to specify this wrap-flag
> > individually for a tag, without having to deal with global
> > skipping/non-skipping of all mentioned tags.
> =

> I agree that the current options are not intuitive and probably do not
> permit what users want.
> =

> I will try to provide another set of options to configure the Xml module
> (and derivative).
> =

> The idea could be to support options like:
> =

>   -o translated=3D"<tag1> w<tag2> W<tag3> <tag4><tag5> i<tag6> I<tag7>"
>   -o verbatim=3D"<tag8> <tag9><tag10>"
> (And remove any tag from tags or inline lists if it is specified by one of
> these options)

That should be OK in the current CVS.
I forgot the name of the second option, so it is not "verbatim", but
"untranslated".

The tags are not removed from the tags and inline lists, but the new
options have an higher priority over the old ones.

i<tag6> and I<tag7> are currently not allowed, but that should not be too
difficult to add.

Cheers,
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Nekral


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